Maud de St. Valerie, Lady of La Haie^{[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]}

Abt 1155 - 1210  (~ 55 years)

• Name	Maud de St. Valerie
  Suffix	Lady of La Haie
  Born	Abt 1155	Bramber, West Sussex, England
  Gender	Female
  Occupation	"Lady of La Haie" - CP.
  Died	1210	Corfe (Carfe) Castle, Corfe Castle, Dorset, England
  	Cause: Died in captivity with her son William
  		Corfe Castle, Dorset, England
  Notes	This individual has the following other parents in the Ancestral File: Reginald /ST. VALERY/ (AFN:HPFM-6X) and Unknown She is said to be the dau. of Bernard de St. Valerie (d. 1191) but there is no evidence that I have found; cf his article in Keats-Rohan's DD, p. 698. _________________________________________________________ TFPL, 12 Oct 2003 Doug Thomson has found a super extract from a 13th century document which clearly says that she was the daughter of Bernard. Proof positive! Doug wrote: Subject: Parentage of Matilda de Braose (St Valery) - "new" evidence. From: Doug Thompson Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:50:11 +0100 Back in August Tim Powys-Lybbe asked: I can't find any reference to connect Maud to No 46.(Bernard de St. Valery.) Can you assist? To which John Ravilious replied: Concerning the identification of Maud de St. Valery as daughter of Bernard, this is based somewhat on onomastic evidence (cf. St. Valery names - Reginald, Maud, Lauretta/Loretta introduced into de Braose line with Maud's children) and largely on the identification of Tetbury, co. Gloucs. - a holding of Bernard de St. Valery - as the maritagium of Maud. And some sources give Reginald de St. Valery as Maud's father. However I recently came across a "new" piece of evidence. (About 750 years old actually!) In the 13th century Histoire des Ducs de Normandie et des Rois d'Angleterre, there is a piece about Maud de St. Valery. It is translated on Dr Helen Nicholson's website - see http://freespace.virgin.net/nigel.nicholson/wom5.htmextract_e In this extract the author clearly states "she was daughter of Bernard de St-Valery". The Histoire is thought to have been written in the mid 13th century and appears to be by someone who was familiar with the people he wrote about. I believe this removes any further doubt about the father of Maud. I welcome any comments. Doug Thompson -------------- History and Genealogy of the Braose Family http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/BraoseWeb/index1.htm (Genealogy) http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/BraoseWeb/stage.htm (History) _________________________________________________________ Helen Nicholaon wrote: Medieval Women: Warfare and Military Activity _ This text copyright ©1999 Dr Helen Nicholson All translations are by Helen Nicholson unless otherwise stated. _ _ The second extract from the Histoire describes Matilda de St-Valery, wife of William de Braose, marcher lords on the English-Welsh border in the late twelfth and early thirteenth century. _ This William de Braose had a very valiant lady as wife, who was born in the land of the King of France; she was daughter of Bernard de St-Valery, the good knight, and she was called Matilda. She was a beautiful woman, very wise and doughty and very vigorous. People said nothing about her husband compared to what they said about her. She kept up all their war against the Welsh,and conquered much from them. She performed many good services for King John, which was a waste of her resources, and made him many fine presents. Once she presented the Queen (Isabel of Angouleme) with three hundred cows and a bull, which were all white, except for their ears,which were red. This lady boasted once to Baldwin count of Aumale her nephew that she had 12,000 milk cows; and she boasted that she had so many cheeses that if a hundred of the most vigorous men in England were besieged in a Castle, they could defend themselves with her cheeses for a month. Provided they never got tired, they would always find cheeses ready to be hurled at their besiegers. _ Histoire des Ducs de Normandie et des Rois d'Angleterre , ed. Francisque Michel (Paris, 1840). Matilda came to asticky end for defying King John; her husband escaped, but she and her eldest son were imprisoned in Windsor Castle [now thought to be Corfe Castle] and starved to death. For the religious house which her daughter Margaret founded in memory of her, see my article 'Margaret de Lacy and the Hospital of St. John', Journal of Ecclesiastical History , Oct. 1999. _______________________________________________________
  Person ID	I1748533965	Red1st
  Last Modified	7 Sep 2012

  
  

  Father	Bernard de St. Valerie,   b. Abt 1125,   d. 1191  (Age ~ 66 years)
  Family ID	F672151614	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	William III de Braose, 4th Lord of Bramber, Lord of Abergavenny,   b. Abt 1153, Bramber, West Sussex, England ,   d. 9 Aug 1211, Corbeil, Seine et Oise, Picardie, France  (Age ~ 58 years)
  Children	1. Flandrina de Braose,   b. Abt 1170, Bramber Castle, Bramber, West Sussex, England   2. Roger de Braose,   b. Abt 1171, Bramber Castle, Bramber, West Sussex, England   3. Giles de Braose, Bishop of Hereford,   b. Abt 1175/81, Bramber, West Sussex, England ,   d. 13 Nov 1215, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  (Age ~ 34 years)   4. Robert de Braose,   b. Abt 1175   5. Thomas de Braose,   b. Abt 1175, Bramber Castle, Bramber, West Sussex, England + 6. Reynold de Braose, Lord of Abergavenny,   b. Abt 1178/85, Bramber, West Sussex, England ,   d. Abt 1227/8, Brecon (Brecknock), Brecknockshire, Wales   7. Hugh de Braose,   b. 1180   8. Henry de Braose,   b. Abt 1181, Bramber, West Sussex, England   9. Bernard de Braose,   b. Abt 1183, Bramber Castle, Bramber, West Sussex, England + 10. Maud (or Susan) de Braose,   b. Abt 1173, Bramber, West Sussex, England   11. Joan de Braose,   b. Abt 1175, Bramber, West Sussex, England   12. Laurette de Braose,   b. Abt 1176/1187, Bramber, West Sussex, England ,   d. Abt 4 Mar 1266, Hackington, Canterbury, Kent, England  (Age ~ 79 years)   13. Walter de Braose,   b. Abt 1177, Bramber Castle, Bramber, West Sussex, England + 14. William IV'the Younger' de Braose,   b. Abt 1175/1179, Bramber, West Sussex, England ,   d. 1210, Corfe (Carfe) Castle, Corfe Castle, Dorset, England  (Age ~ 31 years) + 15. Margaret de Braose,   b. Abt 1177/1185, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales ,   d. Aft 1255  (Age ~ 71 years)   16. John (Knill) de Braose,   b. Abt 1180/1183, Bramber, West Sussex, England ,   d. Bef 26 Mar 1205  (Age ~ 22 years)   17. Eleanor de Braose,   b. Abt 1185, Bramber, West Sussex, England ,   d. Aft 26 Jan 1241  (Age ~ 56 years) + 18. Matilda (Maud) de Braose + 19. de Braose
  Last Modified	12 Aug 2010 20:47:49
  Family ID	F672151613	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Event Map		Born - Abt 1155 - Bramber, West Sussex, England Died - 1210 - Corfe (Carfe) Castle, Corfe Castle, Dorset, England  = Link to Google Earth
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• Sources

  [S25458533028] Darrin Lythgoe. [S25458533589] Dictionary of National Biography, 1st Ed., Ed: Leslie Stephen et al, (Oxford University Press, 1885 to 1900, c. 50 Vols), Her husband's article. [S25458533593] Complete Peerage, G E Cockayne et al, (St. Catherine Press, 29 Great Queen St, Kingsway, London 1910 on), Abergavenny art, Vol I, p. 22. [S25458533628] Soc.gen.med, Ed Mann, Doug Thomsom, "Parentage of Matilda de Braose", 12.10.03. [S25458533684] Tim Powys-Lybbe.